Friday, September 4, 2009

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My goal is to list every gay bar that ever existed in Detroit. I am trying to do my own research into what these bars where like. I am also going to post some stories about the lives of gay people in Detroit especially in the 1930's and 40's. This time period just fascinates me. If you are an older person who lived in Detroit please send me your stories about what life was like for a gay person in old Detroit.(Any time period) I really love old photos. If you have old photos please see if you can get them scanned and send them to me. By posting them on this website you will be helping to preserve history. If I have not listed a bar, please let me know. I am also interested in the old gay bar raids by the Detroit police. Also, stories of undercover Detroit cops arresting gay men in stings for soliciting. If you have any suggestions about where I can find this kind of information please let me know. I don't think you can post pictures in a post on this blog, please email them to me at: detroitsocialclub@gmail.com

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  1. I'm so glad you're doing this. Just recently, I called the gay bookstore in Ferndale and asked if there were any books on the gay history of Detroit. The guy told me that he didn't know of any, but wished he did.

    I loved The Gas Station. It was the mid-eighties when I started going there. I wasn't a hustler and didn't know for a while that it was a hustler bar.

    The drag contests were excellent. I remember one night there was a Grace Jones queen. She was leading two guys on all fours in cat-like clothes on leashes into the dance floor/stage. I tripped into one of them and almost fell.

    I wish I had pictures to give you. Hopefully, the word will spread and you'll get some. I'll try to post a link to your blog in my signature at another site.

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  2. Now, if you really look at the old Lelli's on Woodward, you can still see the hinge that is now painted over, that is if the building is still standing. I believe they had a fire a few years back. The Iron Hinge closed in the late 1970's and Lelli's bought the space to expand their restaurant. The upside is that Lelli's was one of the best Italian restaurants in Detroit at the time.

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  3. Do you have any info about Ted’s on the Park, the best 3 AM gathering place after the bar's around Palmer Park closed?

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  4. A bar that I don't see listed is CT's The Cock Trap. Sorry, I don't remember exactly where it was, but it was on the west side. My manager at a fast food place worked there in 1986. I've been there a couple times.

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    1. To my knowledge, I (Dana Wild)was the last Miss CT's; I believe it was 1989~1990. (I was also Miss R Place and 1st. alternate Miss Gay Detroit that same year respectfully.)

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  5. Great blog! I've just started trying to be more involved in the gay Detroit party scene and this is exactly what I've been looking for! ^_^

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  6. CT's was on Greenfield somewhere between the backstreet/backpocket bars and 96..on the east side of the street.

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  7. Incredible blog. I can think of about 20 others that are missing and will send you a separate email. Remember...The Cruise Club, Taboo, Bookies, Doug's, JPS's, etc? I'll start asking some friends as well and get you quite a few more. Those were the days. Unfortunately we'll never see it again and the young guys nowadays will never know the importance of the bar scene for us back in the 70's and 80's.

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  8. Ted's on the Park burned down - I believe in the late 80s or early 90s. It had the most fascinating cross-section of Detroit night life in town. Prostitutes, pimps, bikers, people from the many gay bars in the area, and some of the most hilariously profane waitresses anywhere. I really miss that joint.

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  9. There was a gay bar at the northeast corner of East Jefgerson and Mt. Elliot called the Bitter Lemon. I was only there once, must have been about 1973; that night they had slow dancing. The place had a reputation for attracting men from the Coast Guard station at the foot of Mt. Elliot.

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  10. The bar and restaurant that was the original version of today's La Dolce Vita ought to be included. Straight people went there, but it was a gay establishment. Just can't recall the name at the moment.

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    1. Backstage Deli and Footlights on Woodward.

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  11. please please please,.....THE BRASS RAIL, & THE RED DOOR two of the best.

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  12. Chris H, I give you credit for the wonderful site you are creating. I wouldn't have the patience. I really enjoy what you are doing and just accidentally found it. I am now a senior citizen and had Studio D in Flint. The first state chartered legal, nonalcoholic club in the states. I'm in Lima, Ohio working on a large space that was donated to the Lima Gay Community Center. If the roof hasn't collapsed from the snow, I may have it open by the spring. The only Ohio club for gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transsexuals, transvestites, and NO straights. 7,600 square feet with a 75 seat X-rated movie area. Members only. Email me at kernnews@aol.com. Hope you can get info on Ronnie Paige who headlined my club. Johnny Triplette aka Timi Saxton died in Flint January 2010. He started learning impersonating at Studio D. I miss him so bad. As we age, we lose friends from many ways, diseases, aging, accidents, and we wonder what is it really all about? Like Peggy Lee asked, "Is that all there is?"...Just keep dancing.

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  13. Alot of people don't realize how much FUN it was to be gay and living in Detroit back in the day. It had places that rivaled anything Chicago, New York, or Ft. Lauderdale ever had to offer. God, how I miss it all!!!!

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    1. ..yes it was special..loved woodward ave bars...i met someone new almost every night....and guys w/ class too..!

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  14. Don't forget about the old Flame Bar in Ann Arbor. We would start out at a fab disco joint called The Rubiyat and work our way over to the Flame for after-hours. We used to even smoke pot in the booths in the back. Marijuana possession was only a $5 fine back then in AA; don't know if it still is or not. Man, them were the days!!!!

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    1. I remember those days Rubiyat was only gay on Tuesday night.

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    2. I remember the Rubiyat and the Flame, damn good times in Ann Arbor! I also use to stop for a plum wine at the Blind Pig, in between!

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  15. There was a bar just west of the Deck in the late '70's called "My Fair Lady". It gave Menjo's a run for it's money for a while. Very classy with a nude marble woman in the middle of the dance floor. Does any one remember??

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    1. LOL, the Deck was the only bar I was ever barred from.

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  16. I just found this blog tonight whilst searching for a now defunct gay bar in the Detroit area called The Aruba Bar. (I was reminiscing with friends from the early 80's from Detroit.) We used to hit The Aruba prior to going to Todd's. Their drinks were cheap and the dance floor was small but totally mirrored. (It was a great place to practice your dance moves!)The bartenders there were great! I celebrated my 21st birthday there. 21 shots of Chartruese and kept going!!! (Yes we were out and drinking under-age for years before that in the whole scene!)

    And like the person who posted on March 9th said, it was fun to be out and gay in Detroit back in those days. (Even If I wasn't really "out" yet!)The scene was so open and there were tons of straights, gays, lesbians, punks, rockers, new wavers, and straight girls (hat the term "fag hag") who frequented all these bars. It was such an open and excepting scene.

    At college The Nectarine Ballroom, The Flame and The Rubiyat were the only places to go. None were as fun as Menjo's or Todd's.

    The whole scene then was fabulous and much better than anything here in Boston today. I still am blown away by the discord between the lesbians and gays here in the Boston club scene. The two never mix. That is so contrary to my youth in Michigan. Where do people hang now????

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    1. I loved the Aruba. $5 all you can drink Wednesdays were a blast. Great music too.

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  17. This is a great blog! Thanks for doing it & good luck putting together all the history.

    Even though I no longer live in Michigan I still remember my days in Detroit as special & (trans)formative. Detroit has a gay history that we can be proud of. It was the first major US city to adopt a no discrimination clause in its city charter.

    I came out in Detroit in 1972. I was in high school & found the phone number for the Gay Liberation Front at WSU. Through them I got involved with the Green Carnation Community Center (was at Forrest & 4th before it was demolished) & the Gay Liberator newspaper (you can find copies in the archives at the san francisco main library, Library of Congress (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn93020244/) & the Michigan State University Libraries.

    Detroit did have a considerable gay life. Very much a party town in the 1970's. The gay community was so large then that if you wanted an apartment in Palmer Park you needed to get on a wait list & then it could take up to two years to get into some of those buildings.

    One really cool bar not yet mentioned here include the Interchange on Trumbel St (I hear that the SF Eagle bought them out). It was the first time I was ever handcuffed! =) Also, Detroit had a number of bath houses. I can't remember them all but two that come to mind are the Club Bat Chain & TNT. I remember that they were so technologically advanced. They both had a VCR & wide screen TV before anyone else even heard of such things. The Club Bath only ever played TV shows (this was before cable so this meant reruns of Green Acres). It was good to go to the TNT even on off nights because you could watch a movie with a friend or get laid if business picked up

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    1. Do you remember John Taetsch (parking lot guard) or Joe Williams (bartender) or Ernie McCarty (door guard) from the Interchange? Good friends of mine, sadly, all gone now.

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  18. The Interchange became the Detroit Eagle which just closed last night (Saturday, July 10) after 23 years. I went to the final night and talked to several of the old guard who talked about the period before the Interchange. The leather crowd at tht time went to a small bar called the Voyager which was in the Commodore Hotel, and across the expressway from that was the Town Pump with go-go dancers. Anyone know anything about these bars might want to post it. The original Interchange sign that was on the outside of the building was acquired by myself last night at the closing of the Detroit Eagle. A picture is posted on Recon --Bondagespankx2._

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    1. I would love to see your photo of the Interchange sign, can't seem to bring anything up w/ the name you gave?

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    2. Hello, My name is Joel (JoJo) and back in the early 70's. I was one of the GoGo boys at the Town Pump. I worked there when Doug Kramer was the bartender and another dancer named Misha. I met my partner there 45 years ago. Boy, those were the days! I met many guys who came to the Town Pump, many fond memories!! :-) The Town Pump is still in business, but not a gay bar. It's now called The Town Pump Tavern. There was also a hotel above the Town Pump, but I can't remember the name. There were many places in Detroit in the 70's that were a lot of fun. Drag shows at the Queen Mary where that had Bubbles Laru and Chile Pepper. A cursing bar was The Woodward owned by Andy not far from a restaurant called Ted's on the Park, now closed. I miss the old Detroit days. I'm not sure it's safe in that area anymore. We live in California and haven't been in the Detroit bar area for decades. Many great memories though. Thanks for posting this site and allowing me to visit the past.

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  19. WOW...I can't believe that this site is here! I came out in the early 80's and the bar scene in Detroit was the greatest! You could just go to a bar that was quiet. You could go to a bar that had strippers. You could go to a bar that had a show. You could go to a bar to pick up dudes. You could go to a bar if you were looking for a little leather in your life. That was all in one night! The scene was great! The afterhours were even better!

    There were so many people I remember from back then and of course AIDS wiped out many of my great friends. It seems that is when the bar scene started shifting!

    You have a great list of bars on here! Again, what a great site.

    I used to perform at quite a few of these bars back then. I was a former Miss Gay Detroit at the time. A titleholder was treated like a true queen at that time. What great memories.

    Thank you again for creating a truly wonderful site for all of us "OLD" bitches. I just wish the kids today could experience what we once had here in Detroit! Looking over this list, the music has truly died!

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  20. I was one of first club dj's Russ Knight (from 1968-1975) and played at The Iron Hinge, Morey's (they had the best drag shows on Monday nights in the 70's) Bookie's club 870 and Cafe Gi Gi's.
    My lover at the time was Trisha Trash, who did Bette Midler before anyone else.
    I miss those days and wish that I had alot of photos, but I lost them in a house fire in 1978 here in Texas.
    If anyone has photos let me know.
    Love to those wonderful days in Detroit!!

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  21. I just wanted to add a couple of things that may ring a bell with someone.
    My real name is not Russ Knight, I used it to dj in gay clubs back then and Trisha Trash was the original, not the person that took that name years later.
    We knew Bette in those days and that's why Trisha did Bette for years.
    I also co-hosted the Miss Gay Michigan contests with Boulevard Blanche and was the host of Kelly and the Photo Players shows and also dj'ed at the Palm River Club on top of the Roostertail and it was a mixed crowd back then.
    I see you don't have Morey's listed, it was on Michigan Ave. and was open from appox. 1970-1972, it later burnt down.
    Gi Gi's was the last place I played and the dance club was in the basement back then and they had a restaurant upstairs.
    One of Detroit's best gay restaurants then.

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  22. I lived in an all gay apt. building on Second Ave.(The Parklane) from 1965-1968.
    It was a wild place to live back then and everyone knew each other.
    The laundry room was the best place to meet someone.
    An older married couple (the Hatfields) were the managers of the building.
    I remember we all had to leave during the 1967 riots for a week.
    When we returned some houses were burnt down in the neighborhood, but our building was not touched.
    It truly was a fun place to live.
    Thanks, for reading this, Russ Knight.

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    1. the Hatfield's were my grandparents...my mother (Barb) was the caretaker during those years...if you have any pictures and/or info on them I would love to hear from you. email: danglin-spencer@comcast.net

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  23. Green Carnation Gay Community Center near Wayne State U was the 70's alternative to the "bar scene". Dennis Franz, Steve Compton, Dennis Lambiris, Richard Marshall, Larry Bohannon & Alan Hatcher were behind the scenes keeping the place open for many who were looking for a healthy place to socialize without alcohol or drugs. We had Detroit's first "call for help" phone line that was called the "Gay Switchboard". Many calls came in from confused youth who needed info about coming out and places to go. We had "rap groups" on thursday nights alternating between Wayne State classrooms and our Center's living room. Up the road a mile away was the "Trumble House" that was the communal living space for the staff of the "oldest continuous gay newspaper in America," The Gay Liberator. It was headed by Dennis Franz and Dennis Lambiris who strived to approach our society from a more social(ist) perspective. It ran until around 1977. Together with Wayne State University Gay Liberation Front we all organized the first Gay Marches down Woodward Avenue from 1974 thru 1977. If anyone knows what happened to any of these people mentioned here please post info here or contact Larry Bohannon on Facebook with info.

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    1. Larry...... it is MORTY !! Please contact me....I am SO VERY happy and thrilled were alive!!! Tiffany's and Larry & Mort & the rest made that bar a "Detroit Institution"!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  24. 1970's Jockey Bar...
    Does anyone remember a place on 7 mile near Woodward called the Jockey Bar? I remember a Detroit News front page story (circa 1978 or 1979)about guys turning tricks in the parking lot - I think that got the place shut down. I was in High School at the time and that was the first I heard of a gay bar anywhere - so I had to go find it. I didn't succeed. But while looking - I did discover the Gas Station. Had lots of fun for a skinny blond boy from the suburbs in THAT parking lot! (heavy sigh...)

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  25. How about the traveling rave from the mid 1990's called the RED DOOR? Mostly gay or experimenting crowd...
    Anyone remember that place? It took me a year to earn a pass to that place.

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    1. I remember that place! They sold NO2 ballones there and I felt out of place because I didn't do XTC. The had a few matresses set up behind the DJ booth for people to have sex on, and there was always a long line for those. They had the best trance music anywhere!

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  26. When I was growing up in Rochester in the late 70's kids at school used to joke about a bar in Rochester called Rossi's. It was on the top of the hill south of town. This was like 77-78. I don't think it was exclusively a gay bar, Rochester was not that large a town in those days, but that was its reputation.

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  27. I also lived at the Parklane Towers about the same time. I remember going to the apartment above mine to play Password with Winn Wells, Chunga and Kenny Blair. Chunga & Kenny had the big apartment with the black/white checkered marble floor and Kenny had his sewing studio on the first floor. I remember Bookie Stewart used to come over for coffee and talk about his plans for the "new" Diplomat and I remember the grand opening as an upscale cocktail lounge. Chunga & I met Liberace at the opening (he playing at the Fisher theater). Then Chunga & I moved to Maryland about a month before the riots. It was always amusing to see Bobbie Johns come down the alley to the little store next door with his very blonde hair in rollers (NOT in drag) and if anybody commented he would threaten to knock them through the fence. The Parklane always had an eclectic mix of residents.

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  28. There was a bar called the C & W on the far west side, not far from Gigi's. It was opened by a couple of men who used to hang out at the Palais. It was a fun place to go.

    Also, on Woodward was Spears. Spears was not a gay bar, but several gay people would go in there.

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    1. The CCW name comes to mind.

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  29. So long ago! I have been in the South Florida area for over 22 years now, but nothing can compare with the great times that I/we had in Detroit back in the mid-70's to early 80's. I remember my first experience in a gay bar was in April of 1975 and GiGi's bar was in the basement. 18 was the drinking age at the time and I was getting in at the "Escape" on Joy Rd at the age of 17. That bar was so great,- great music and hot men...and the shows were fabulous. Over the next few years I started participating in those shows as a male dancer for Fran Jeffries and especially Jennifer Foxx with Tony Brown, Larry Clairmont, and a guy named Rick Pittman I think. Those days were the BEST by far!! Anyone remember an "out of loop" bar on 8-mile rd called the "Plain Brown Wrapper" or for short: "The Wrapper"? It didn't last long '79-'80., but I worked there as a dancer, dj, spotlight guy, performer, and cocktail waiter. I think it was run by some shady types - I never really wanted to ask!! The Backstreet and Menjo's were really HOT too then. Todd's was really popular for show night.

    Bob Bruno/Jennifer Foxx was my idol and absolute favorite. I don't know if she remembers how I bungled her Talent/Performance sequence the night of the Miss Gay America pageant of (1982). It was at the Masonic Temple in Detroit that year. Unfortunately she lost that year but won in Houston the following year. I was relieved that she won the next year because I felt so responsible for her losing in Detroit. Anyway, I really miss the friends and the great times that we had. As with most people, I lost so many friends as well.

    Yes, I remember almost all those bars/clubs listed here. There was another after-hours place that I barely recall. It was open for only a year or so back in 1981-82 - I think the name was Manus or Mannus or Mannis? The front area was fairly well lit, but there was a back area where crowds of men would stand elbow to elbow checking each other out. Everyone was usually toasted or drugged up by that time of night but what a fantastic time we had. I will check this blogspot from time to time to read more about those glory days. Happy Thanksgiving everyone and good health to you this Holiday season.

    Anyone know what Lady T Tempest is doing these days? Is she still with us??

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    1. I recall Manus/Mannis or however it was spelled! I think it was across the street from the old IC (later the Detroit Eagle)- Near Trumbull and Holden.

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    2. iam alive and well,sexy as hell...i live my life as a woman now...thanks for asking and remembering me...take care.LADY T TEMPEST

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    3. Wish I could remember who you are....I was Larry's best friend clearly remember Tony and Rick.

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    4. Wish I could remember who you are....I was Larry's best friend clearly remember Tony and Rick.

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    5. I was the coat check girl at Manus! Loved that job! Do you remember Ireen, the snake lady?

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    6. It was Manis! I just located my membership card, wish there was a way to post a photo here...

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  30. Anyone remember the prudential barthouse near the state fair grounds. Fun times

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  31. The "CT" bar, was a hole-in-the-wall bar on the wast side of Greenfield Rd., about a half mile n. of the Back Pocket bar. It was owned by Ruby Nipheratos, the owner of the R&R, on Michigan Avenue. It opened as the "Cock Trap", but the name was changed to "The CT", supposedly after homeowners in the neighborhood bitched about the name. Detroit gay personality, Jimm Tuffy spun records there for a while. Ruby sold the bar several times, on land contract, but recovered it when the new owners defaulted.

    Anyone remember a short lived bar called Club-Lah-Di-Dot, on 7 Mile Rd., a block or two east of Ryan Rd., near Pershing H.S.? It was owned and operated by a cute young Italian guy with curly hair, named Vince. Being in a bad neighborhood, it only lated a year or so. There was never more than 5 to 6 guys there ant any time.

    Another short lived gay bar was Zipper's, on Sherwood, at 7 Mile (or was it Outer Drive?) It was the new locale for the late Bruce Detloff, after he left the Gold Coast.

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  32. What happened to all the posts on each bar. Looks like they all disappeared. I also don't see Poppers Pontiac on the list. This gay bar in Pontiac was formerly called Studio 55.

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  33. What ever happened to the gay record pool directors, Lee Eckinger from AMP and Steve Nader from Dance Detroit?

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    1. I hear Steve Nader died sometime around 2011.

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  34. What ever happened to the GLORY HOLE club, I believe on six mile near Woodward? I wanted to go but was young and too damned bashful. Wish is was there now.

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    1. Not sure when the GH closed, but I think it was a few doors down from Bookies on 6 mile - near Manjo's; I met what turned out to be one of my best friends in the basement play area there! There was also a similar sex club upstairs at 7 and Woodward - I think it was called Heaven.

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    2. When I discovered the GH indeed I was in heaven. Lived there 24/7 sometimes, and then would hit Palmer Park in the back during the day, and at night near the fountain up front and would always spot the cops coming through the park, would holler out COPS -- I felt like Moses leading the Israelite's through the Red Sea....all those fucking around would run to their cars....O the memories

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  35. There is a bar missing from the list or at least I don't see it. Jocks! It was located on the same street as the Gas Station...there was the Gas station, Toobes and then next door was Jocks. It was a small place... I think it was owned by a guy name Tom and a girl named Janey or Jeannie (she also bartended) Food establishment and bar. The good ole days.

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  36. My uncle used to manage a gay bar in Pontiac called Poppers. Anybody been there? I believe it is defunct. When I live in the Detroit area, I frequented Backstreet, The Flamingo, Menjo's and Innuendo. There used to be this hot stripper named Sky at Innuendo. Anyone remember him? It would have been in the late 90's. I had such a crush on him. I was only about 20 at the time.

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  37. Do they still have The Gear circuit party in Detroit?

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  38. Some of the bars came from other events, and sparked other events that were bigger than the bar (and in some cases, Detroit's gay scene). Diamond Jim's Saloon (in the building formerly by the owner of Stilletoes) was opened as a "thank you project" to the community from a Leather titleholder. Jim won Mr. Leather Michigan (last one) from The Interchange Bar (then owned by John Workman and Bob Isabelle), and the only Michigan titleholder to win a back-to-back title of Mr. Leather Detroit at the R & R Saloon (owned by Ruby Niphortius). Though Diamond Jims' Saloon had it's roots in "gay country", it had a following of Bears, Cowboys and Leather (both gay AND straight/fetish). Diamond Jim's Saloon was opened by the same guy who brought Gay Rodeo to Michigan and had the first Rodeo at the Michigan State Fair Grounds (20 year anniversary is 2014). Also from Diamond Jim's Saloon came Leather Institute for Education (L.I.F.E. - Detroit), and the Mr. Leather Cowboy contest. Biggest event in many years (since "Do-A-Fool" weekend by Tribe Detroit), was "Wall-2-Wall Fur Bear". Folks all the way down in St. Louis were talking about the trip to Detroit for this event. DJS was open for 10 years, and closed in July of 2010. Also a big leather event that came from there was "Detroit Area Rough and Kinkfest" Weekend (D.A.R.K. - Detroit) an event put on by L.I.F.E. Detroit. ;)

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  39. Oh, and one of the few bars in Detroit who had a "black owner".

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  40. I am enjoying this reminiscence no end! I remember one Halloween in the late 1960s going downtown on the "DSR" in high drag to the "10-11" where ChiChi reigned longer than Queen Elizabeth II. On the bus?!! Just imagine. I hope someday that my granddaughter appreciates the fact that I wasn't always the old guy on the couch, but it might be hard for her to imagine me in endless chiffon -- nose full of poppers -- dancing the night away!! The only drugs I get now are the "legitimate ones" -- what a bore.

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  41. Does anyone remember "Sally from the Alley" a drag queen from back in the day....I first saw here at the Conquest, Bruce allowed her to put on a drag show fundraiser to buy her son who "drownded" a tombstone....LOL it was a hoot, and she was older than God then...RIP Sally

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  42. I remember when i was a kid in the early 70's, there was a bathhouse we used to go to that I think was called "The Climax". It was on State Fair St. in Detroit. It was alot of fun at the time. I think it had a fire. Does anyone remember this place? I can't find any info on it on the internet or even this site.

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  43. Two of my favorites were "Midnight Sun" & Heaven's above the "Gas Station" at Woodward & 7 mile. God! I miss those days!

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    1. "Heaven's" & "Midnight Sun" were after hour clubs. But many of us know this. LOL. GREAT TIMES!!

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